# Java Justice

URL: /show/coder-radio/383/
> We have a different take on the Oracle v. Google case that may usher in an API copyright doom! Or so they say...

- Show: [Coder Radio](/show/coder-radio/)
- Episode: 383
- Date: 2020-10-13
- Hosts: chris, michael
- Duration: 01:02:54
- Audio: https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/b44de5fa-47c1-4e94-bf9e-c72f8d1c8f5d/1c07d23b-3e0d-46c6-b199-77c91b749473.mp3
- YouTube: https://youtu.be/JJlUKz_4DeM



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