# Kotlin, Swiftly

URL: /show/coder-radio/257/
> Mike argues you should go hybrid today & end up progressive tomorrow. The Docker reality & why Swift is a bit like Kotlin. 

Speaking of Kotlin we chat a bit about the Google I/O news, Project Treble, Xamarin’s Live Player & Mike’s new rig.

- Show: [Coder Radio](/show/coder-radio/)
- Episode: 257
- Date: 2017-05-19
- Hosts: chris, michael
- Duration: 01:02:17
- Audio: https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/b44de5fa-47c1-4e94-bf9e-c72f8d1c8f5d/8742d29a-26e0-47ed-ada8-c2845c35ac59.mp3
- YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReMV8Zv7_rw